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- If we don't make the final deal, their nuclear program is still destroyed. They're still much weaker as a country. So my attitude is America wins either way. But I do think that what the president has done is asked us to do something that frankly, nobody in 47 years of dealing with the Iranians has done, which is offer them an opportunity to fundamentally transform how they behave with the West. They've been the largest state sponsor of terrorism basically since they began as a nation, or at least as an Islamic Republic 47 years ago. He's saying, look, if they're willing to change, we're willing to change too. If they're not willing to change, we still fundamentally have all the cards and I think it's a good place for us to be. - But their program isn't destroyed. The nuclear program isn't destroyed. I mean, I don't know any of our objectives. And look, I said I-- - What part is not destroyed? - Well, we didn't get in there. The whole thing was we have to get in there and see. Other us, we wouldn't be doing this. - Well, let me say-- - And we didn't. - First of all, so a nuclear program, and I'm hardly a nuclear scientist, I'm a lowly politician. But the thing that you have to destroy is their ability to enrich uranium, which has been destroyed. You have to destroy their ability. Well, because you need functioning centrifuges that can actually spin and we know they're born. - Well, we gotta get in there and we gotta get the dust. And we didn't get in there, so how do we get the dust? - So that's actually a separate question. So there's the highly enriched stockpile, which by the way was allowed to accumulate over 20 years of previous administrations. That enriched stockpile is something that we wanna get, but Bill, if we never get it, and the president wants it, and we are gonna get it, but if we never got it, it's buried deep underground and they don't have the ability to turn it into a nuclear weapon. So the program is functionally destroyed. We're just talking about can we set them back even further through these negotiations. - Okay.

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