because their cost is too high they will lower those costs. I don't think that is how it works. That is exactly how it works. It is your specific job. Sorry to belabor this, I know so many people on both sides of the aisle have have asked you about the department's decision to remove nursing, teaching, social work and other critical occupations from the definition of professional degrees and capping their ability to receive federal loans. I know that in my home state of Minnesota we're expecting to face a shortage of 30,000 nurses in the next four years and I know that your home state of North Carolina it is expected to see a shortage of 15,000, 13,000. Our nurses obviously are limited in their capacity, they're overworked and they're worried so I know you said the decision is final but I'm just trying to figure out if you can answer why did you move forward with an action that you know is going to be creating a problem or worsening a problem that already exists. Well first of all let me correct one thing. We did not remove any of these professions from a professional category, they were never never characterized in the law, in the statute, as a professional category. So as these caps were put into place and many professions were then being reviewed as to what constituted a professional category guided by the definition of a professional degree from Congress. So that was the overview that the that we looked at as we are writing this new rulemaking with the with the overall goal of putting caps in place that are going to reduce the cost of college. How is that happening? Well I have a couple of articles here already that there are colleges. What do they say? They are saying that they have that they are looking at reducing the cost of their graduate program. I know but looking is not addressing the problem that we are currently seeing. What I am asking you is that you've made a decision that is currently making the problem worse. That is not correct let me let me push back on that. Are you saying the numbers in Minnesota that we're seeing or in North Carolina are not real? Well what I'm saying to you is there are shortages in those states primarily in the undergraduate nursing program which is not affected by this new rule and this new cap. Undergraduate programs are not affected at all. I know but can you... So the shortage is not a result of this cap being put on. The shortage of nursing is that we don't have enough applicants into the nursing programs that that are you know coming through our universities. So instead of helping with the problem you've decided to make it worse? I don't think you were in when I talked about another way to get to an RN and expedited program you can get a two-year certificate and then take the exam to become an RN. My sisters or nurses I do know how those things work. I'm asking you about this specific classification that you created that lowers the cap. We didn't remove that from a professional designation. I know but address the cap issue when it comes to the... I just did because it does not impact. But you said you were trying to lower the cost of tuition how does that happen? Because there are already colleges that are lowering the cost of their graduate programs. What are those colleges? There's a college in in California University of California in Irvine and Purdue University in Indiana. And is it for business or for nursing? They have lowered them right now and for their business programs. But we're talking about nursing ma'am. Well I hope that they'll look at other programs. Because business is not something that you had an impact on. I don't have control over which programs they're doing but if they have fewer applicants coming into their universities and they realize part of the reason is because their cost is too high they will lower those costs. I don't think that is how it works. That is not how it works. Your specific job is to try to make sure as the head of the Department of Education to make education accessible for Americans. When you create policies that make education unreachable for Americans that want that education then you are failing at your job. No when there have not been caps on programs and universities have been allowed to charge whatever they wanted and the student loan program allowed them to borrow up to whatever that university said was the cost it was time to take action and to put caps in place that are going to start. Yeah but your caps only create a funnel through the private borrowing system. That's not true. Yes that is what it will do. How else would somebody if I wanted to get a professional degree and I'm capped and I can't borrow then I have to from a public source then I have to go private and that is what your administration is really trying to do is trying to help enrich others on the backs of the American people.
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because their cost is too high they will lower those costs. I don't think that is how it works. That is exactly how it works. It is your specific job. Sorry to belabor this, I know so many people on both sides of the aisle have have asked you about the department's decision to remove nursing, teaching, social work and other critical occupations from the definition of professional degrees and capping their ability to receive federal loans. I know that in my home state of Minnesota we're expecting to face a shortage of 30,000 nurses in the next four years and I know that your home state of North Carolina it is expected to see a shortage of 15,000, 13,000. Our nurses obviously are limited in their capacity, they're overworked and they're worried so I know you said the decision is final but I'm just trying to figure out if you can answer why did you move forward with an action that you know is going to be creating a problem or worsening a problem that already exists. Well first of all let me correct one thing. We did not remove any of these professions from a professional category, they were never never characterized in the law, in the statute, as a professional category. So as these caps were put into place and many professions were then being reviewed as to what constituted a professional category guided by the definition of a professional degree from Congress. So that was the overview that the that we looked at as we are writing this new rulemaking with the with the overall goal of putting caps in place that are going to reduce the cost of college. How is that happening? Well I have a couple of articles here already that there are colleges. What do they say? They are saying that they have that they are looking at reducing the cost of their graduate program. I know but looking is not addressing the problem that we are currently seeing. What I am asking you is that you've made a decision that is currently making the problem worse. That is not correct let me let me push back on that. Are you saying the numbers in Minnesota that we're seeing or in North Carolina are not real? Well what I'm saying to you is there are shortages in those states primarily in the undergraduate nursing program which is not affected by this new rule and this new cap. Undergraduate programs are not affected at all. I know but can you... So the shortage is not a result of this cap being put on. The shortage of nursing is that we don't have enough applicants into the nursing programs that that are you know coming through our universities. So instead of helping with the problem you've decided to make it worse? I don't think you were in when I talked about another way to get to an RN and expedited program you can get a two-year certificate and then take the exam to become an RN. My sisters or nurses I do know how those things work. I'm asking you about this specific classification that you created that lowers the cap. We didn't remove that from a professional designation. I know but address the cap issue when it comes to the... I just did because it does not impact. But you said you were trying to lower the cost of tuition how does that happen? Because there are already colleges that are lowering the cost of their graduate programs. What are those colleges? There's a college in in California University of California in Irvine and Purdue University in Indiana. And is it for business or for nursing? They have lowered them right now and for their business programs. But we're talking about nursing ma'am. Well I hope that they'll look at other programs. Because business is not something that you had an impact on. I don't have control over which programs they're doing but if they have fewer applicants coming into their universities and they realize part of the reason is because their cost is too high they will lower those costs. I don't think that is how it works. That is not how it works. Your specific job is to try to make sure as the head of the Department of Education to make education accessible for Americans. When you create policies that make education unreachable for Americans that want that education then you are failing at your job. No when there have not been caps on programs and universities have been allowed to charge whatever they wanted and the student loan program allowed them to borrow up to whatever that university said was the cost it was time to take action and to put caps in place that are going to start. Yeah but your caps only create a funnel through the private borrowing system. That's not true. Yes that is what it will do. How else would somebody if I wanted to get a professional degree and I'm capped and I can't borrow then I have to from a public source then I have to go private and that is what your administration is really trying to do is trying to help enrich others on the backs of the American people.
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