# Post ts_110867412931972172

- Post ID: `ts_110867412931972172`
- Platform: Truth Social
- Posted: 2023-08-10T21:21:07.831Z (UTC)
- Deleted: no
- Repost: no
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## Post text

> I never asked Mike Pence to “disregard the Constitution.” Nor did I tell him that he was “too honest.” He is under great pressure and getting very bad advice from Marc “Long” and perhaps some of his other advisers. His Poll numbers have just gone down from an already anemic level. Liddle’ Mike now wants to be a tough guy. He could have had greatness, but chose another path!

## Engagement

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# Analysis

_Machine-generated by trump.fm on 2026-03-20T07:08:18.722Z (UTC): a model's reading of this post, not his words. Its psychological terms describe the language, not a clinical assessment of him._

## Summary

This post constitutes a clinically significant instance of documented gaslighting—specifically DARVO—directed at a named figure who is simultaneously a 2024 primary rival and a key witness in Trump's federal election interference case. The two central denials ("never asked Pence to disregard the Constitution," "never told him he was too honest") directly contradict the evidentiary record in the indictment, corroborated by sworn J6 testimony, Pence's memoir, and the Eastman memos. The defense mechanism architecture is layered: pathological denial of documented fact, immature projection of Pence's independent judgment onto bad advisers, and contemptuous devaluation via the "Liddle' Mike" diminutive. The post demonstrates narcissistic state oscillation—vulnerable denial opening, grandiose contempt mid-section, grandiose judgment close ("could have had greatness")—consistent with compound narcissistic injury in the post-indictment period. Authorship is assessed as highly authentic given the "Liddle'" apostrophe styling, "Marc Long" antonym wordplay (Short→Long), and the greatness-dispensing closing signature. The "Marc Long" wordplay is noted as likely intentional mockery rather than cognitive name confusion, though it warrants longitudinal monitoring. Danger is rated elevated contextually: while this post lacks explicit violent imagery, it targets a named witness during a period when prosecutors have already flagged Trump's Truth Social activity as potential witness intimidation, and the devaluation language ("chose another path") contributes to a targeting pattern the base is trained to respond to.

## Post Analysis: Truth Social, 2023-08-10T21:21:07Z | ts_110867412931972172

### Overview

This post targets former Vice President Mike Pence in the context of Trump's August 1, 2023 federal indictment on charges related to efforts to obstruct the certification of the 2020 election—charges that depend substantially on documented evidence of Trump pressuring Pence to reject or delay the electoral count. Pence has simultaneously qualified for the first GOP primary debate and is actively campaigning against Trump. The post constitutes a direct denial of documented historical record and a devaluation attack on a key witness/rival.

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### Authorship Attribution

**UTC:** 21:21:07 | **Local (EDT, Bedminster NJ—Trump's typical August residence):** 5:21 PM EDT

Mid-to-late afternoon on a Thursday in August. This falls within aide-compatible business hours, but the content carries numerous authentic-Trump markers:

- **"Liddle' Mike"** — Trump has used this nickname before (cf. "Liddle' Bob Corker"); the apostrophe styling is a known idiosyncrasy. Aides would not generate this.
- **"Marc 'Long'"** — A deliberate Trumpian inversion: Marc Short (Pence's former chief of staff) has the surname "Short"; calling him "Long" in scare quotes is Trump's characteristic wordplay/mockery via antonym. This is highly authentic.
- **"He could have had greatness, but chose another path!"** — The grandiose closing declaration positioning Trump as the arbiter of others' greatness is a recurring authentic pattern.
- **Emotional reactivity and personal attack** on a named former ally fit spontaneous composition.
- **Grammar is mostly clean** but not over-polished; no schedule/event announcement structure.

**Assessment:** High confidence authentic Trump. The combination of personalized nicknames, antonym wordplay, and grandiose closing signature is not replicable by staff.

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### Psychological State and Triggers

**Primary trigger:** Narcissistic injury (compound). Pence's actions constitute a multi-vector injury: (1) he is running against Trump, competing for the same donor/voter pool; (2) his campaign qualification publicizes his separation from Trump; (3) he has made documented public statements affirming the pressure Trump applied on January 6, which now forms the evidentiary spine of the federal indictment; (4) his poll numbers, while low, represent a public rival rather than the total subordination Trump requires.

The specific scare-quoted accusations—"disregard the Constitution" and "too honest"—are lifted directly from the public record: the Eastman memo framework and testimony by Pence's own counsel Greg Jacob before the J6 committee. By putting them in quotes and denying them, Trump is not correcting an allegation by Pence directly but rather disputing the historical record as it now underpins criminal charges.

**Narcissistic State:** Mixed, oscillating within a single post. The denial opening is *vulnerable* (defensive, denying injury). The "Liddle' Mike / wants to be a tough guy / anemic poll numbers" passage is *grandiose* (contemptuous, dominant). The closing "He could have had greatness" is a return to grandiose positioning where Trump resumes the role of dispenser of greatness.

This oscillation within a short post is consistent with the post-indictment fragmentation of state seen in the longitudinal record during this period.

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### Defense Mechanisms

1. **Denial (pathological):** "I never asked Mike Pence to 'disregard the Constitution.' Nor did I tell him that he was 'too honest.'" Both claims are extensively documented in the public record (Eastman memos, Greg Jacob testimony, Pence's own memoir *So Help Me God*). This is denial of well-established documented fact, not disputed allegation.

2. **Projection:** Attributing Pence's behavior to "very bad advice from Marc 'Long'" removes Pence's moral agency and relocates the problem to external advisers—mirroring Trump's own characteristic reliance on and subsequent blame of advisers.

3. **Devaluation:** The shift from "Vice President Pence" to "Liddle' Mike" traces the classic narcissistic arc from idealization to contemptuous devaluation. The "anemic level" poll characterization and "wants to be a tough guy" (implying false toughness) are devaluation amplifiers.

4. **Rationalization:** The framing that Pence "chose another path" rationalizes Pence's refusal to follow Trump's instructions as a choice failure rather than a constitutional and moral stand.

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### Level 1: Dispositional Traits

The post is dominated by **low agreeableness** (antagonism, devaluation of former ally, contempt), **high extraversion** on the assertiveness/dominance facet (aggressive challenge to rival), and **high neuroticism/angry hostility** (reactive denial). There is no evidence of deliberation or conscientiousness. Rigidity of values (openness low) is evidenced by the absolute denial without qualification.

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### Level 2: Characteristic Adaptations (Motives/Schemas)

**Dominant motive: Power/status preservation.** The post is not primarily about persuading persuadable voters about Pence's fitness; it is about re-establishing the dominance hierarchy (Trump above Pence, Trump as arbiter of greatness) that Pence has now publicly and legally disrupted.

**Schema:** The world is divided into those who serve Trump's power (and thus "could have had greatness") and those who chose betrayal. Pence has permanently transitioned from the first category to the second; the post formalizes this reclassification.

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### Level 3: Narrative Identity

**Protagonist role:** Wrongly accused victim of betrayal who retains the authority to judge his betrayer.

**Narrative sequence:** Contamination. A former close ally who "could have had greatness" has been corrupted ("getting very bad advice") and has betrayed the relationship. The contamination is externalized (bad advisers) rather than internally motivated—this preserves the narrative that Pence was redeemable but failed.

**Identity claims:** Trump implicitly claims to be the legitimate judge of constitutional action ("I never asked him to disregard the Constitution" frames Trump as constitutionally scrupulous), the arbiter of "greatness," and the wronged party.

**Contrasting other:** Pence is cast as a weak man ("Liddle'"), a false tough guy, an empty vessel for bad advisers, a figure who had access to greatness and squandered it.

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### Gaslighting & Reality Distortion

This post contains two direct denials of documented historical record:

1. **"I never asked Mike Pence to 'disregard the Constitution'"** — The Eastman "coup memo" explicitly laid out a plan for Pence to refuse to count or delay certification of electoral votes. Multiple witnesses testified Trump endorsed this. Pence himself documented it. This denial contradicts the evidentiary record in the federal indictment.

2. **"Nor did I tell him that he was 'too honest'"** — This specific exchange was testified to by Greg Jacob (Pence's counsel) before the J6 committee and corroborated in Pence's own memoir. The scare quotes here are used to cast doubt on a phrase that multiple primary sources have confirmed.

**DARVO pattern is active:** Trump Denies, positions himself as the one wrongly accused (Reverse Victim), and attacks Pence's character, judgment, and poll numbers (Attacks, Offender).

**Reality distortion framing:** The scare quotes around both phrases function to suggest the accusations are fabricated or distorted, weaponizing punctuation to cast documented testimony as invention.

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### Rhetorical Techniques

- **Scare quotes as denial device:** Framing the documented phrases as questionable constructions ("disregard the Constitution," "too honest") rather than direct quotations.
- **Ad hominem via nickname:** "Liddle' Mike" performs devaluation while carrying plausible deniability as affectionate diminutive.
- **Antonym nickname:** "Marc 'Long'" (for Marc Short) is a contempt marker disguised as wordplay.
- **Appeal to poll numbers:** Using Pence's polling weakness to undermine his credibility generally—a form of circumstantial ad hominem.
- **False sympathy construction:** "He is under great pressure and getting very bad advice" superficially appears sympathetic but functions as an agency-removal move (Pence has no genuine convictions, only bad advice).
- **Grandeur closing:** "He could have had greatness, but chose another path!" is a rhetorical exclamation that positions Trump as having conferred or withheld greatness. Effective with base audiences who share the hierarchical worldview.

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### Cognitive Status Markers

**"Marc 'Long'":** The scare-quoted antonym (Short→Long) is almost certainly intentional mockery rather than a name-substitution error—this pattern appears elsewhere in Trump's communication. However, it is worth flagging for longitudinal monitoring: if antonym or near-phoneme substitutions increase in frequency, the pattern could indicate transitioning cognitive load.

**Complexity:** The post is structurally coherent with a clear argumentative sequence (deny → externalize blame → devalue → close with judgment). Sentence construction is simple but functional. No word-finding pauses evident in text. Consistent with Trump's established baseline.

**No significant cognitive markers detected** in this post.

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### Danger Assessment

**Level: Elevated**

This post does not contain explicit violent imagery or eliminationist language. However:

- It targets a named individual (Pence) with devaluation and contempt in the context of a period where Trump has already posted explicit threats ("If you go after me, I'm coming after you") and prosecutors have requested a protective order citing witness intimidation risk.
- "Chose another path" is a coded negative judgment that, while not explicitly threatening, functions within the established pattern of identifying Pence as a traitor deserving consequences.
- The dehumanizing diminutive "Liddle' Mike" is not stochastic terrorism-level language but contributes to a targeting pattern where Pence is cast as a weak, untrustworthy figure who has betrayed the movement—framing that historically precedes escalated attacks against named individuals.
- **No stochastic terrorism pattern** in this specific post, but context elevates the rating.

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### Fact Verification

| Claim | Verdict | Evidence |
|-------|---------|----------|
| "I never asked Mike Pence to 'disregard the Constitution'" | **False** | The Eastman memos explicitly outlined a plan for Pence to reject or delay electoral certification. Multiple Pence aides testified to Trump's direct pressure. Pence documented it in his memoir. This forms core of the federal election interference indictment. |
| "Nor did I tell him that he was 'too honest'" | **False** | Greg Jacob (Pence's counsel) testified before the J6 committee that Trump said Pence was 'too honest' after Pence stated he could not reject the electoral votes. Corroborated by multiple sources. |
| "His Poll numbers have just gone down from an already anemic level" | **Mostly True** | Consistent with context: Pence was polling in low single digits during this period. The historian-sourced events confirm Pence's poor polling standing relative to Trump and other candidates. |

Overall Veracity: 27%

## Authorship Analysis

**Self-Written** (score: 88%)

### Indicators

- 'Liddle' Mike' nickname with characteristic apostrophe styling used previously for Bob Corker
- Marc 'Long' antonym wordplay (Short→Long) is a Trump-specific contempt tactic
- 'He could have had greatness, but chose another path!' closing declaration is authentic Trump rhetorical signature
- Emotional reactivity in devaluation of former ally consistent with authentic composition
- Post timing (5:21 PM EDT) is business hours but content is too personal/reactive for aide authorship

## Psychological Profile

### State

**Mixed State**

**Trigger:** Narcissistic Injury — Exposure (Mike Pence)

**Rage:** Intensity 62% targeting Mike Pence
- Proportionality: 25%

Sentiment: -0.67

### Clinical

**Malignant Narcissism:**
- Narcissistic: 88%
- Antisocial: 62%
- Paranoid: 55%
- Sadism: 45%

**Defense Mechanisms:**
- denial (pathological)
- projection (immature)
- devaluation (immature)
- rationalization (neurotic)

**Cognitive Complexity:**
- Complexity: 42%

**Parasocial Techniques:**
- Positioning audience as witnesses to Pence's betrayal and diminishment
- Inviting base to share contempt via nickname 'Liddle' Mike'
- Framing Pence's departure from Trump orbit as self-destruction for audience validation

## Danger Assessment

**ELEVATED**

### Indicators

- Post targets named individual (Pence) who is a key witness in ongoing federal criminal proceedings
- Post occurs in the same period as Trump's 'If you go after me, I'm coming after you' threat for which prosecutors have requested protective order
- Devaluation language ('Liddle' Mike,' 'wants to be a tough guy') contributes to pattern of targeting Pence for audience contempt
- 'Chose another path' is a coded negative judgment functioning within an established pattern where figures labeled as traitors face escalating targeting from Trump's base

### Gaslighting

- Direct denial of documented historical record: 'I never asked Mike Pence to disregard the Constitution' contradicts Eastman memos and J6 testimony
- Direct denial of documented exchange: 'Nor did I tell him that he was too honest' contradicts Greg Jacob J6 testimony and Pence memoir
- Scare quotes weaponized to frame confirmed testimony as dubious fabrication
- DARVO structure: Deny → Attack Pence's judgment/polls/advisers → Reverse (Trump as constitutionally scrupulous, Pence as betrayer)
- Attribution of Pence's independent moral judgment to 'bad advice' erases Pence's documented autonomous reasoning

## Fact Checks (3)

_The model's verdicts from 2026-03-20._

> I never asked Mike Pence to 'disregard the Constitution'

**FALSE**

The Eastman memos explicitly outlined a plan for Pence to reject or delay electoral certification. Multiple Pence aides testified to Trump's direct pressure. Pence documented it in his memoir. This forms core of the federal election interference indictment.

Sources: J6 Committee testimony (Greg Jacob, Marc Short); Pence memoir 'So Help Me God'; Eastman memos (entered into evidence); Federal indictment (US v. Trump, DC 2023)

> Nor did I tell him that he was 'too honest'

**FALSE**

Greg Jacob (Pence's counsel) testified before the J6 committee that Trump said Pence was 'too honest' after Pence stated he could not reject the electoral votes. Corroborated by multiple sources.

Sources: Greg Jacob J6 Committee testimony; Pence memoir

> His Poll numbers have just gone down from an already anemic level

**MOSTLY TRUE**

Consistent with context: Pence was polling in low single digits during this period. The historian-sourced events confirm Pence's poor polling standing relative to Trump and other candidates.

Sources: Pre-researched historian events: Pence polling context

Overall Veracity: 27%

## Tags

- gaslighting (95%)
- DARVO (90%)
- denial-of-documented-record (92%)
- devaluation-former-ally (88%)
- narcissistic-injury-response (85%)
- witness-intimidation-context (72%)
- nickname-contempt-marker (85%)
- scare-quotes-epistemological (80%)
- post-indictment (90%)
- authentic-authorship (88%)
- antonym-nickname (75%)
- reality-distortion (88%)

## That day

_From trump.fm's machine-generated digest of the day, not his words._

**Legal Siege Day: Dual-Track Defense Pairs Raw Rage with Coordinated Media Blitz**

Trump spent the day consumed by his federal indictment, opening with furious morning attacks on Biden's intelligence and sanity before his team flooded the feed with a rapid-fire dump of 15 supportive news articles in under five minutes. He returned in the late afternoon with personal, high-intensity posts targeting Jack Smith over a proposed January trial date and attacking Mike Pence with documented falsehoods about their January 6 interactions. The sharpest contrast of the day was between his own raw, emotional outbursts and the carefully managed media operation running alongside them. Notably absent from the 27-post day: any mention of the Maui wildfires that killed over 100 people.

Full digest for 2023-08-10: https://trump.fm/date/2023-08-10/analysis

## Citation

- APA: Trump, D. J. (2023, August 10). I never asked Mike Pence to “disregard the... [Social media post]. Truth Social. trump.fm. https://trump.fm/post/ts_110867412931972172
- MLA: Trump, Donald J. "I never asked Mike Pence to “disregard the Constitution.”..." Truth Social, 10 Aug. 2023. trump.fm, https://trump.fm/post/ts_110867412931972172. Accessed 9 Oct. 2026.
- Chicago: Donald J. Trump, "I never asked Mike Pence to “disregard the Constitution.”...," Truth Social, August 10, 2023, archived at trump.fm, https://trump.fm/post/ts_110867412931972172.

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